Tag Archives: college visits

College decisions: what do you need to know?

28 Apr


I recently posted about college tours and our brief family trips to UCLA and Pepperdine. I am a Financial Aid Counselor at a local private university and I work closely with the Undergraduate Admissions department on our campus in Enrollment Management. I also run the loan program here as well as community outreach and financial literacy. I am highly involved with many families as they make their college decisions whether I am at my desk or giving a high school presentation.

College is very expensive these days, I feel that this is not news but somehow year after year families have sticker shock and start looking around their accounts for money they didn’t remember to start saving before their kid was on the verge of graduating high school. Sometimes our circumstances do not allow for us to save masses of money for college in advance, and that okay too. The most important thing to me as a financial aid administrator is that people make responsible decisions.

Now let me tell you a little story about my college experience. When I was going away to school I was sat down by my dad and told “this is how much I can give you to help pay for your college and housing and the rest is going to be on you to get a loan which I will co-sign for”. He showed me a figure and I said, “Ok, fine, sure, whatever, no problem, let’s sign that application”, because I was an idiot. I can laugh at myself now knowing what I know and sitting where I sit. I was just like so many other kids who have NO real concept of money. What is money? You know that you need to get it so you can pay for stuff. But in today’s world that students are growing up in (even with my generation) there is no real interaction with money: you have a job, that job direct deposits your money to your bank account, you go to the ATM or on your iphone and look at a balance, then you use a credit card or debit card to pay for things, you get an email when your online statement is available. And I find for most students that I knew when I was a student and for those I come into contact with they do not really grasp the concept of how much living costs either and what kinds of jobs provide you with salaries that will support the lifestyle that students assume they will live post graduation.

There are four components that I find very important when working with a student on where they should attend school. Now I want to state that I am not a dream crusher who is up on a soap box telling students they shouldn’t go to the schools of their dreams, but I am someone who wants to make sure that students make wise and responsible decisions while fully knowing the consequences of their choices.

1. Knowing The Cost: finding the school(s) of your dreams is great, that school where you feel like you are at home just by stepping on campus, you can picture yourself making the most of your youth, the school that has the perfect major for you and staff that gives you the warm and fuzzies. Now comes the most important part- how much does this cost? I can’t tell you how many times I have worked with families that say: “I told my kid they could go wherever they wanted, they want to go here- so now I need to make it work, because I promised”. I will tell you right now a very important lesson: do not make promises to your children unless you know for a fact that you can fulfill them, therefore making a promise to a 14 year old that in 4 years you can any college they want as long as they do well in school – not a good idea! So what does this ‘most amazing college ever’ cost? This is something that you need to look into and take a good close look and then project out for four, maybe even up to six years. You need to look at the direct charges for the school (anything the school is actually charging you), account for housing costs (on or off campus), transportation, food, supplies, etc. then extrapolate that amount over time and account for a typical 4-6% increase in charges per year as is customary in most institutions. This may end in the conclusion that someone is going to need to take out a loan (either the parent or the student).

2. Picking a Major: this is probably one of the toughest things to do. When you open a college catalog you become inundated with so many majors it can make your head spin. Some of these majors you probably have never even heard of or you have no idea what kind of jobs come with different majors. It’s important to look at your skills and to spend some quality time pontificating about what type of job you would like, what could you see yourself being happy doing, what will fit into the lifestyle you would like, and what will help you afford the lifestyle that you would like to have realistically. If you like the idea of being a doctor but will literally pass out at the sight of blood, it may not be a realistic goal for you, but that doesn’t mean that you can’t do something else in the field of medicine that can fulfill you. I am not saying you should not follow your dreams and your passions but be aware of your limitations and how this passion for whatever subject matter or major will help you to attain a career that will allow you to support yourself in the future. One suggestion I have when it comes to looking into which major to select is not only to work backwards from which job you would like to have but also look at the salaries that come with that job which will be important in later steps.

3. Repayment of Student Loans: The reality of this day is that most college students are graduating with some college loan debt, it’s unfortunate but true. Students find themselves in situations where they want to go to a school and they just cannot afford it without outside assistance. Often I see student’s signing up for monster loans without batting a eye, without realizing what the payments on this type of loan will look like and how they will be able to afford them. I too was in this boat, I signed on the dotted line thinking arbitrarily: “I will make enough to pay this” without knowing even what the beginning salaries for the field I *hoped* I would break into and without knowing what the costs of my other living expenses will be. Don’t fall in that trap, at least look into what this is going to cost you on a monthly basis, don’t be surprised when you graduate about what your payments will soon be. And always know that you cannot dismiss student loan debt through bankruptcy.

4. Affording Post-grad Life: it’s great that you have now picked your major and know the job that you want to get when you graduate, what else? You should consider the cost of the lifestyle that you would like, or at least look into the lifestyle that you will be able to afford once you land this job you plan to get. First, consider the lower end of the salary range, since you are new to the field and are a new graduate, then think about the amount of taxes that will come out, then the cost of rent, insurances (medical, dental, car, etc), utilities, loan payments, credit card payments, personal expenses, etc. and if you somehow can squeeze a couple dollars a month- savings or a retirement account. One good suggestion that my husband made for this is looking at an area that you would like to live in and check out rents, this will typically help give you a good point of reference. Will you be living with mom and dad for a while? Will you be living with one roommate? Or five?
In summary these are four components, not a step by step, which means you may go back to one (picking a major) once you realize that the salary you can expect wont allow you to afford your rent and your loan payments that you got to be able to pay for school. Or you may realize that you love the major and can swing it on the salary but not with loans you need for an expensive school so you may decide a less expensive school is for you. The most important thing is to get all the information and do your homework!



College Tours: Start ‘Em Early

27 Apr

I am a Counselor at a private university in Southern California and have been working there for 4.5 years now. I work closely with the Admissions Office at our institution and it’s that time again, recruiting our new class. So many excited and nervous students and families visiting our campus to determine if this is where they will spend the next four years of their life and subsequently graduate from. Will this be home? Will this place be somewhere they can thrive, they can learn, they can gain the skills that will help them land a career and be successful? I didn’t fully realized the real impact of these decisions until I started working here. It’s easy when you are a teenager and in your early twenties to make decisions ‘for all the wrong reasons’ and not to realize the impact of your decisions. Sometimes back then you wanted to just ‘make the wrong choice” because that meant that you were rebelling against something (fill in the blank). It takes years to realize the consequences (good and bad) of our decisions.

When I was a kid I was told over and over: “you are going to college” by my parents, teachers, and society. “You need to do well in your courses now so that you can get into good classes in Jr. High, then High School so you can get into college” and that’s a great message. This message was coupled with another message from society: “You can do anything, you can be anything you want to be” well that’s great too. Very encouraging. But… I wanted to be a runway model but I am short and lots of my friends wanted to be professional baseball players but they kept striking out. So plan B right? I was fortunate enough to have reason-minded parents who circled back to: what can you do (within reach in reality) to get a job and hopefully it’s a job you like.

Don’t get me wrong, I believe in dreams and working hard to achieve them and if I had delved down real deep and came up with the utmost desire to be a journalist, I would have made it happen. But as I got a little more into college courses I realized that I had other interests and wanted a different life. When I applied to colleges, most I hadn’t even ever visited, I had no idea what I was going to be walking into. I must admit, I did not do my homework. After having applied and accepted my admission to University of California, Santa Cruz I visited the campus for the first time not even knowing that it was near the ocean – yea… it’s like on the ocean (not that that’s a problem). Now, even with all the guessing and walking in blind to things I turned okay- like many others. But I want to help guide a different story for my daughter.

This past weekend Dan needed to visit the UCLA campus because he was asked to guest lecture for an Accounting course and needed to figure out where he would be going. We made a little day of it as we were having to go ‘over the hill’ into LA. We spent time walking around UCLA and taking in the beautiful campus. After leaving we went to Pepperdine in Malibu briefly to check out the views. I told Dan that I want to take advantage of visiting many college campus’ and helping our kids explore careers and majors that interest them and will help them to be successful in the future. I want my kids to have a real sense of where they are going to be going and what lies ahead. I think it’s tough to help someone navigate their first steps of their future but I am hoping with the experience that Dan and I have will help us to assist with this task with our kids.

pep 1

Dan and Madeline on Pepperdine’s Campus which overlooks the amazing Malibu coast. pep2


Our fam at UCLA and Madeline and I in front of the Bruin Bear :). ucla1